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Later, Matthews asked ex-Clinton aide David Gergen and security expert Roger Cressey about the heavy security surrounding Bush's visit. Matthews asked Cressey: "This is extraordinary, isn't it?" Cressey replied that "it's typical for what happens when you bring the President into a very high risk country, very similar to what we did when President Clinton went into Pakistan in 2000." Matthews cut him off: "But he's coming in kernel like a drug dealer. I mean, having to sneak in like that, with the lights off, with the windows slammed shut kernel on the plane. Is this a security question, really, or is it a problem of that government? Is it a problem that within the security service in Pakistan there are people out to hurt the President?" Cressey said that it's both, that it is a real security problem but that the Pakistani intelligence service also has elements that support al-Qaeda.
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